Most sources agree that they had ten children, though both Carpenter and Baldwin (The Kingmaker's Sisters) mention an eleventh. Back in April, I suggested that if there had been a sixth son, his name would probably have been Henry. And that's just the name given to this mysterious eleventh child by both authors. (Baldwin is flawed, but it's the most comprehensive text so far on the lives of the Salisburys' daughters. With that single caveat (don't be surprised to find that some of the details are wrong) I'd still recommend it to anyone interested in these women.)
One of the first points of difficulty is Alice's birth year. As her first child was born in 1448 and, apart from Katheryn who had her first child at sixteen, as the Salisburys do seem to have discouraged their daughters (and sons-in-law) from becoming parents before they were about eighteen, this would put Alice's birth at c1430. There is a bit of a bottleneck around this time, with Thomas, John and Alice all born seemingly within the space of a couple of years. This could mean that Alice and one of her brothers were twins, or it could just mean that the countess was very very busy during this time.
Another point of confusion is the identity of the daughter who later married Francis Lovell. Some sources say it was the oldest daughter, Alice; others the second daughter, Anne. thePeerage.com mentions only one child, Elizabeth (who was the youngest, married William Parr and was the ancestor of Katherine Parr). One family tree mentions only 10 children (Henry is missing) and has the second daughter (here Agnes) marrying Lovell. So, until I can find a definitive answer, and synthesising the information I have to date, here's my interpretation of the Fitzhugh family.
Alice (1448-1516) married John Fiennes. They had two children: Thomas (lord Dacre on the death of his grandmother) and Anne. Thomas married Anne Bourchier.
Anne (1453 - bef 1512) married Francis Lovell. Lovell (and his sisters Joan and Frideswide) are usually listed as wards of the earl of Warwick. While it's true that Lovell spent many years under Warwick's tutelage at Middleham, it does seem that they were wards of the Fitzhughs. Anne, her mother Alice and sister in law Elizabeth were in attendance on queen Anne and Richard III at their coronation in 1483. Lovell disappeared after Bosworth and both his wife and mother-in-law pleaded for a pardon for him. They had no success. His final fate is a mystery. Anne and Francis had no children.
Margery (b1455) married Marmaduke Constable. Marmaduke fought with Richard III at Bosworth but submitted to Henry Tudor. He was sheriff of Yorkshire and later, during the reign of Henry VIII, fought at Flodden. They had at least two children, one son being executed for treason in 1537.
Joan (I have no information.)
Richard (1457-1487). Married Elizabeth Borough. Richard fought with Richard III at Bosworth, submitted to Henry Tudor afterwards and was his lieutenant in the north for his remaining years. He was fourteen when his father died and he succeeded to the lordship. His mother Alice was appointed his guardian. On his death, he was succeeded by his son, George.
About the younger children, I can find very little information.
Thomas (b1459)
John (b1461)
George (1463-1505)
Edward (1464 - bef June 1472)
Elizabeth (1455/6 - 1513) married 1. William Parr; 2. Nicholas Vaux
4 comments:
Thanks for an interesting post. I don't know that much about the Fitzhughs except where they cross the Nevilles' paths. Looks like there's a lot to learn! :-)
Thanks, Su. It's like they're like the supporting cast's supporting cast. Their checkered lives and proximity to Middleham (plus Alice's long widowhood) make them both fascinating and indispensable.
A large cast of characters indeed!
Nicholas Vaux, who married Elizabeth Fitzhugh, is particularly interesting to me--he was the son of Katherine Vaux, who served Margaret of Anjou from at least the 1450's until Margaret's death. ODNB has Elizabeth dying before July 1507 and Nicholas remarrying before February 1508. Elizabeth and Nicholas had three daughters together: "Katharine, who married Sir George Throckmorton; Ann, who married Thomas, Lord Strange; and Alice, who married Sir Richard Sapcote."
Thanks, Susan. These younger lives are still unexplored in any great detail, but I think it's going to be interesting. I hadn't planned on taking the work very far into the Tudor years (generally I find the Tudors overrated, overexposed and a little bit oiky), but I'm going to have to take a couple of steps across the great divide at least.
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